However, that precludes that God chooses to allow it to happen this way too. It’s ok...I’m used to being the scapegoat. I have some old alumni in a chat where we are beating upon each other in the same way here. Most of them are anti-Bush and anti-War.

All that we are talking about with this Apostasy/Revelations is speculation anyway on our part. Basically we know that man chose to do this. We also know that man chose to crucify Jesus. But, Jesus also asked God the Father that if it be His Will, he could let this cup pass from Jesus. Things could actually change. So, God’s Will allowed Jesus to be crucified even though men did the crucifying. Jesus knew God’s answer though and accepted it readily.